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Subject: FYI: juno.com kicked off of my sites.
From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:10:30 -0800
To: listmom-talk @ skyweyr . com, list-managers @ greatcircle . com


This is just FYI -- not thrilled at having to do this, but you should
be aware this has been happening and juno.com has simply not responded
to anything despite repeated requests for help. Be aware, and wary.

chuq
----

To all our plaidworks users:

I have just sent the following note to all of our former fellow
subscribers from the juno.com domain. I'm posting this to all of the
lists as well, so that everyone knows what happened, and because some
of our users will have magically and suddenly disappeared, probably in
the middle of conversations. Hopefully, the attached letter explains
everything -- if not, contact Laurie or myself privately and we'll
discuss it further.

I'm very sorry to have had to do this. I do hope all of our legitimate
users will return to the lists from accounts that aren't under embargo
soon. And please be sure that we will do everything in our power to
protect you from idiots like the one that caused this problem -- I've
only had to embargo one site other than juno in all of the time we've
run plaidworks. Hopefully, this will be the last one, too.

Sincerely,

Chuq Von Rospach
owner, Plaidworks

---- letter attached ---


To our users of plaidworks mailing lists from juno.com:

I'm sorry to have to report that effective today, March 7, 1997, we are
terminating ALL use of our list services to all users from the juno.com
domain.

We have been having continuing problems with abusive users and postings
from this domain, being posted from the accounts <machoman75@juno.com,
homeboy25@juno.com, flamethrowera@juno.com>. Despite repeated requests
for help to the juno.com administrators, we've yet to receive a REPLY,
much less any cooperation. Because of this, we have to conclude that
juno.com simply doesn't care what its users do, and we have to protect
our legitimate users and our services from the site. We have declared
juno a pirate outpost on the net, and therefore, will no longer allow
it access to our services.

This affects 77 users with 94 subscriptions on our site. This is
something we don't enjoy doing, but we feel this is necessary under the
circumstances. Our legitmate users are encouraged to subscribe back
onto our lists from some other system, and we encourage you to tell the
Juno.com administration what you think about this lack of
responsiveness. You might also drop a note to machoman and tell him how
much you appreciate him doing this to you, but please: be nice about
it, since we don't want our users to drop down to the level of the
person who forced us into this.

Please don't complain to us -- it won't help, and the situation won't
change until we're convinced juno.com DOES, in fact, police its users.
Unfortunately, to date, all they've proven is that they won't. When
that changes, we'll re-evaluate the situation. Until then, all we can
do is encourage you to find an ISP that cares about its reputation and
its users.

My apologies for the inconvenience I know this will cause you, but the
situation leaves us no choice.

Sincerely,

Chuq Von Rospach
Owner, plaidworks.

--
         Chuq Von Rospach (chuq@apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome
                       <http://www.solutions.apple.com/>

 Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui@plaidworks.com) <http://www.plaidworks.com/>
   (<http://www.plaidworks.com/hockey/> +-+ The home for Hockey on the net)





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